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  • "What kind of world do we live in? Why are we applauding this guy's abs?" I mean, no offense to Michael Phelps. We like him. But he's not smart. He hasn't invented anything or saved people's lives. He's a guy with abs, and we celebrate these abs.

    "The Pressure Cooker as Transcendence". Interview with David L. Ulin, believermagblog.wordpress.com. January 15, 2014.