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  • Weirdly, I was still trying to be the older brother, and trying to get him [Tom Berninger] to try to be more like me a little bit. Or not be more like me but... I was frustrated that he sometimes let things stop him in his life, and he let the wind get knocked out of his sails a few times.

    "Matt and Tom Berninger: 'I don't have anything good on the National and I just have myself really drunk'". Interview with David Daley, www.salon.com. April 27, 2014.
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